kathy and chris publish joint statement

Apr 2, 2007

Kathy Sierra and Chris Locke published a joint statement. Though they disagree on some points, they seem very much in accord with the stuff that actually matters. I’m very happy they did this. It looks like a good end to what must have been a horrible week for them both.
The only sad thing is, it looks like Dear Kathy won’t be writing anything new for a while. This is especially sad for me, as it was only 3 weeks ago that she and I met in person for the first time. And what a sweet, wonderful person she was.
Hurry back, Kathy. Your fans miss you!

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Katharine Newman

17 years ago

Although I haven’t seen the taping that was done for CNN, I have to say that I’m not entirely convinced the blogosphere should dig out their Kumbayaa sheet music just yet.
Admirable things were said in those statements – but I’m not sure Mr. Locke’s halfhearted denunciations make up for his initial reaction: Does “extremely bad taste?” adequately describe what was said about Ms. Sierra? Really? Is that all?
Mr. Locke has missed the point. It’s not about whether he has a right to dislike Ms. Sierra or any other writer; it’s not about whether what was said about Ms. Sierra were death threats or “death threats.” – Hooray, the they had a couple laughs, but a laugh does not make up for the lack of outrage here.
I’m sorry Hugh, but all day today I’ve seen people standing in line to congradulate this guy – who’s writing I’ve enjoyed – to congradulate him for saying “the people who followed me said things that were wrong but as their leader, I wasn’t leading.”
Accountability.

Rogers Cadenhead

17 years ago

Locke deleted his site in rejection of the conduct taking place there *before* Sierra posted. That should be enough. Kee-rist the outrage brigade is working overtime on this one.
Hugh: I know you were probably angry at the time, but calling Locke and the other three a “posse of middle aged, self-loathing underachievers” and comparing them to rape enablers was more shitty conduct than most of the posts on MeanKids.Org. Do you still stand behind those comments?

a person

17 years ago

Obviously, Chris Locke is desperate for attention, and now he’s got it. That’s why people make trash sites in the first place. It’s sad. I’ll bet he knows who made those horrible underwear-faced pictures, and I’ll bet he stares that person in the eye in the mirror every morning.

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hugh macleod

17 years ago

Hey Rogers,
Of course I stand behind my comments. Because I never once said my comments were directed at the three you mentioned.
Read my post again, one more time. Thanks.

NVMojo

17 years ago

I’ll miss Kathy’s positive posts. I hope she doesn’t stay away too long.

Rogers Cadenhead

17 years ago

Your post: “Apparently these MeanKids folk were taking the occasional pop at me as well. Mommy! Mommy! Come quick! A posse of middle aged, self-loathing underachievers is being mean to me Boo hoo hoo hoo…
“[Afterthought:] Highschool Metaphor: ‘OK, so you weren’t the actual jock who raped the cheerleader. But it seems you were in the posse circling them, chanting ‘Go go go go go go go…””
Your refusal to acknowledge that these insults were aimed at the MeanKids publishers is strange. But I guess that’s one way to avoid an apology.

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hugh macleod

17 years ago

I don’t find it strange at all, Cadenhead. After seeing what was written about my friends, Robert and Maryam, on Meankids and approved by its authors, it’ll probably be a cold day in Hell before I do any apologizing in that direction.
And if I do apologize, it’ll be because one of the people you mention takes issue with it and talks to me about it directly, not because some third-party blogger has decided to appoint himself Chief Apology Officer for the day.

Kathy Sierra

17 years ago

Thanks, but I’m probably not coming back. I think we all know that nothing has changed, and the same thing would just happen again. We’re not talking about just one person, and we’re not talking just about the random trolls we ALL get. I do not have the stomach for it any longer.
Ignoring is not always a solution — I tried that, and it only became *worse* (if someone is determined to get a reaction from *you*, ignoring them just means they have to keep taking it up a notch until you do). Talking to people involved is not always a solution — I tried that, but MORE posts went up *after* I wrote to some of the people involved to tell them how freaked out I was.
No, I think there’s a visibility tipping point, and when you cross it — some people will hate you no matter what you write about. Visibility alone seems to be a big enough reason for people to want to inflict pain. And unfortunately, if you’re a female they are more likely to add in *sexual* threats and fantasies as well.
It was my daughter who found the suffocation/smothering photo. We all have our limits. Whoever created that post found mine.
[Rogers, you do not have the story quite correct. If you want to exchange private email, I can fill in more details.]

17 years ago

I’m so sorry for what’s happened to Kathy. I agree with Katharine’s comment and her final statement about Chris Locke -accountability.
The pictures, comments and posting Kathy’s personal information is beyond childish. It’s just downright scary and criminal.
I’m glad that Kathy had another post today asking her readers for suggestions with respect to her future work.

Rogers Cadenhead

17 years ago

You can dress it up any way you like, but calling them “middle aged, self-loathing underachievers” was crappy.
The post about Maryam Scoble was inexcusable and prompted Paynter’s deletion of the site. To say that those three were responsible for it, when they didn’t make that post, is like saying that you’re responsible for my belief that you’re a mean kid.

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hugh macleod

17 years ago

I never named those three you cited as my targets, Cadenhead. But hey, if it makes you feel better to believe otherwise, go ahead.. Blog about it. Get some linklove. Get onto Techmeme. Feed the Beast. Whatever.

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