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		<title>By: It&#8217;s been a while&#8230; &#171; Lucas&#8217; Marketing Blog</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26530</link>
		<dc:creator>It&#8217;s been a while&#8230; &#171; Lucas&#8217; Marketing Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As well as this there is a big trust issue in terms of security and reliability. This stems from the big boys making mistakes (see Microsoft, Google etc) and inexpert bloggers reporting on these and making the classic mistake of thinking there is only one cloud. Just because Microsoft screwed up their Cloud doesn&#8217;t mean we can’t do a good job of with ours, which reminds me of one of Hugh’s recent posts. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[…] As well as this there is a big trust issue in terms of security and reliability. This stems from the big boys making mistakes (see Microsoft, Google etc) and inexpert bloggers reporting on these and making the classic mistake of thinking there is only one cloud. Just because Microsoft screwed up their Cloud doesn’t mean we can’t do a good job of with ours, which reminds me of one of Hugh’s recent posts. […]</p>
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		<title>By: John Noble</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26244</link>
		<dc:creator>John Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 17:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We don&#039;t really feel the need to justify ourselves or our way of doing business. But given some of the comments here, we do feel the need to assure the doubters that Shitcreek Consulting is legit. We do real work for real businesses each and every day.

Yep, we have loads of parody and satire on our site but we are dead serious about our work, our clients, and people we work with.

Just keep your eyes peeled as we tell our story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We don’t really feel the need to justify ourselves or our way of doing business. But given some of the comments here, we do feel the need to assure the doubters that Shitcreek Consulting is legit. We do real work for real businesses each and every day.</p>
<p>Yep, we have loads of parody and satire on our site but we are dead serious about our work, our clients, and people we work with.</p>
<p>Just keep your eyes peeled as we tell our story.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26207</link>
		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love it!  It&#039;s full of attitude without being obnoxious - hysterical!  I would love one for ArtofTalk.tv.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love it!  It’s full of attitude without being obnoxious — hysterical!  I would love one for ArtofTalk.tv.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Marshall</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26201</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Marshall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lovely attitude, great engagement, and I wish them well.  Don&#039;t see a client list on that website though, or any testimonials....  maybe I&#039;m missing something....  and maybe they&#039;ll get a bite?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lovely attitude, great engagement, and I wish them well.  Don’t see a client list on that website though, or any testimonials.…  maybe I’m missing something.…  and maybe they’ll get a bite?</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26198</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 21:55:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Twitter says your blog is down!! Get the boys from ShitCreek on the job!!!   That is, if anybody knows what they actually do...I get the impression this is a parody, just like the other comments..funny, but I hope nobody thinks this is real..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Twitter says your blog is down!! Get the boys from ShitCreek on the job!!!   That is, if anybody knows what they actually do…I get the impression this is a parody, just like the other comments..funny, but I hope nobody thinks this is real..</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Summit</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26195</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Summit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:05:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice shit brown color scheme to match the name. This is a parody web site I assume. There are no people behind it as far as I can tell. No client references , no portfolio.

But it is mildly amusing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice shit brown color scheme to match the name. This is a parody web site I assume. There are no people behind it as far as I can tell. No client references , no portfolio.</p>
<p>But it is mildly amusing.</p>
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		<title>By: caffeine head</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26193</link>
		<dc:creator>caffeine head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 15:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. MacLeod, you may be right.  Perhaps the SCC name will constitute an asset, rather than a self-imposed handicap, as it might be for many business people.  Exclusivity is a fine thing, but one must take care not to draw the circle TOO close...

I sincerely hope that SCC&#039;s approach to nomenclature does not spread much further, as I do not wish to drive a &quot;F__k&quot; automobile, or use a &quot;C__ks__ker&quot; laptop.  Alas, all things seem possible in the 21st century...

Good luck to SCC, and may the words &quot;Shit Creek&quot; become synonymous with quality, value, and pride in workmanship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. MacLeod, you may be right.  Perhaps the SCC name will constitute an asset, rather than a self-imposed handicap, as it might be for many business people.  Exclusivity is a fine thing, but one must take care not to draw the circle TOO close…</p>
<p>I sincerely hope that SCC’s approach to nomenclature does not spread much further, as I do not wish to drive a “F__k” automobile, or use a “C__ks__ker” laptop.  Alas, all things seem possible in the 21st century…</p>
<p>Good luck to SCC, and may the words “Shit Creek” become synonymous with quality, value, and pride in workmanship.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanna K.</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26192</link>
		<dc:creator>Susanna K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine is a political consultant. He has an unlisted business number. That might be frustrating to someone who finds him via a Google search and wants to contact him, but he has enough business he can do that. 

I agree, being able to choose your clients is a pretty good sign of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine is a political consultant. He has an unlisted business number. That might be frustrating to someone who finds him via a Google search and wants to contact him, but he has enough business he can do that. </p>
<p>I agree, being able to choose your clients is a pretty good sign of success.</p>
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		<title>By: J Wynia</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26191</link>
		<dc:creator>J Wynia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@caffeine_head, while my consulting firm isn&#039;t quite as confrontational in name, my approach isn&#039;t far off from theirs (I&#039;ve made a fair bit of money cleaning up after bigger consulting firms messes). 

We get asked to submit responses to RFP&#039;s and we refuse, asking for a meeting to talk about the problem instead. That pisses off a lot of clients who just want someone to bid on the RFP and do the job as specified. However, a smaller group is intrigued by the fact we don&#039;t do RFP responses and we get a few hours of their time to genuinely engage them about their problem. And, it turns out, that engagement usually leads to much better projects than playing the RFP game.

I understand your desire to see a little humility. However, understand that many consulting firms don&#039;t like to work with clients who view the business relationship as &quot;working for me&quot; rather than &quot;working with me&quot;. 

I know in my own practice, if you want someone who will work &quot;for you&quot;, I&#039;m not the right consultant.

I&#039;ve got more than enough work and actually had my biggest boom years right in the middle of this economic downturn. 

Their approach (and one that Hugh&#039;s stuff takes as well) is to work in such a way that 20% of the general audience LOVES what you&#039;re doing and 80% HATES it rather than everybody looking at it as bland and common. Generally, trying to avoid offending anybody results in nobody loving what you do.

I&#039;d rather work with the 20% that loves what I&#039;m doing. They&#039;re *happy* to be paying me. They respect me *more* when I say &quot;no&quot;. They value the fact I call them on their bullshit and question their assumptions. It&#039;s not for everyone, but I can only work on a limited number of projects in a year and, since I started doing tech consulting (1999), the number of people who want me to work on projects has always exceeded the number I can actually do (through 2 bubbles bursting).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@caffeine_head, while my consulting firm isn’t quite as confrontational in name, my approach isn’t far off from theirs (I’ve made a fair bit of money cleaning up after bigger consulting firms messes). </p>
<p>We get asked to submit responses to RFP’s and we refuse, asking for a meeting to talk about the problem instead. That pisses off a lot of clients who just want someone to bid on the RFP and do the job as specified. However, a smaller group is intrigued by the fact we don’t do RFP responses and we get a few hours of their time to genuinely engage them about their problem. And, it turns out, that engagement usually leads to much better projects than playing the RFP game.</p>
<p>I understand your desire to see a little humility. However, understand that many consulting firms don’t like to work with clients who view the business relationship as “working for me” rather than “working with me”. </p>
<p>I know in my own practice, if you want someone who will work “for you”, I’m not the right consultant.</p>
<p>I’ve got more than enough work and actually had my biggest boom years right in the middle of this economic downturn. </p>
<p>Their approach (and one that Hugh’s stuff takes as well) is to work in such a way that 20% of the general audience LOVES what you’re doing and 80% HATES it rather than everybody looking at it as bland and common. Generally, trying to avoid offending anybody results in nobody loving what you do.</p>
<p>I’d rather work with the 20% that loves what I’m doing. They’re *happy* to be paying me. They respect me *more* when I say “no”. They value the fact I call them on their bullshit and question their assumptions. It’s not for everyone, but I can only work on a limited number of projects in a year and, since I started doing tech consulting (1999), the number of people who want me to work on projects has always exceeded the number I can actually do (through 2 bubbles bursting).</p>
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		<title>By: knackeredhack</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26190</link>
		<dc:creator>knackeredhack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have they settled on a preferred supplier of paddles yet? I might be interested in tendering.

Tim</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have they settled on a preferred supplier of paddles yet? I might be interested in tendering.</p>
<p>Tim</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh MacLeod</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26188</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh MacLeod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 12:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;it can afford to turn down the busi­ness of those who don’t like the word &#039;s__t&#039;&quot;

That&#039;s actually not a bad position to be in, don&#039;t you think?

Sure, their shtick isn&#039;t going to work for everybody. But they don&#039;t need &quot;Everybody&quot;; that&#039;s the whole point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“it can afford to turn down the busi­ness of those who don’t like the word ‘s__t’”</p>
<p>That’s actually not a bad position to be in, don’t you think?</p>
<p>Sure, their shtick isn’t going to work for everybody. But they don’t need “Everybody”; that’s the whole point.</p>
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		<title>By: caffeine head</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26184</link>
		<dc:creator>caffeine head</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Sep 2009 02:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve clicked every link on the perversely compelling S__t Creek website without finding out exactly what sort of work they do, except in the most general sense.

Every page of the SCC website reeks of  snarky attitude and massive self-love.  SCC apparently is so good that it can afford to turn down the business of those who don&#039;t like the word &quot;s__t&quot;.

I like to see a little humility in the specialists I pay to work for me.  This may mean that I &quot;have my head up my ass&quot;, or that I am a &quot;douchebag&quot;. 

But let me tell ya, today&#039;s douchebag may be tomorrow&#039;s client.  It doesn&#039;t pay to alienate anybody, if you can possibly avoid it.  SCC will learn this lesson, painfully, in the months ahead.

(Gaping Void is great!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’ve clicked every link on the perversely compelling S__t Creek website without finding out exactly what sort of work they do, except in the most general sense.</p>
<p>Every page of the SCC website reeks of  snarky attitude and massive self-love.  SCC apparently is so good that it can afford to turn down the business of those who don’t like the word “s__t”.</p>
<p>I like to see a little humility in the specialists I pay to work for me.  This may mean that I “have my head up my ass”, or that I am a “douchebag”. </p>
<p>But let me tell ya, today’s douchebag may be tomorrow’s client.  It doesn’t pay to alienate anybody, if you can possibly avoid it.  SCC will learn this lesson, painfully, in the months ahead.</p>
<p>(Gaping Void is great!)</p>
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		<title>By: Sheri D</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26177</link>
		<dc:creator>Sheri D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 15:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jenny, I know how you feel. I have been trying to get a Women&#039;s Educational Health Blog started and plan to do so soon. Am doing lots of writing. It can become overwhelming especially when one looks around at the competition.

Don&#039;t give up. People need to be informed about health, which includes dental  health, from the regular person; not the powers that be. Keep at it!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jenny, I know how you feel. I have been trying to get a Women’s Educational Health Blog started and plan to do so soon. Am doing lots of writing. It can become overwhelming especially when one looks around at the competition.</p>
<p>Don’t give up. People need to be informed about health, which includes dental  health, from the regular person; not the powers that be. Keep at it!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Trish Baker</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26175</link>
		<dc:creator>Trish Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:14:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All those names of companies mentioned speaks a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All those names of companies mentioned speaks a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: sam</title>
		<link>http://gapingvoid.com/2009/09/24/shit-creek-consulting-2/#comment-26173</link>
		<dc:creator>sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Sep 2009 10:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant!</p>
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