Comments on: “european civilisation has sown the seeds of its own decline and fall”

By: Kai Ruhl

Kai Ruhl — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:35:21 +0000

Hugh,
You misunderstood me. I simply wanted to state that the assumption “Europe is going down” is flawed. Also, that the assumption “the anglo-saxon economic model or the current state therof is superiour” (due to its reformed state or other reasons) is flawed.
I mentioned the unemployment thing only to make the post a bit more balanced, it sounded a bit like “Euro-Troll” before. To reiterate: The economy is obviously doing fine in Europe.
Who or which country is doing its children a favor and which not is a question I cannot reasonably decide. Each of the modern industrial regions has its pros and cons, and only time will tell.
Kind regards,
Kai

By: Ben

Ben — Mon, 06 Jun 2005 18:38:13 +0000

The US is adolescent: full of self-righteous, gimme-gimme energy, with little time for tradition. You run fast, and look impressive, but you neither know nor care where you are going.
Europe is older and wiser, and respects its own citizens and the rest of the world. We understand that progress takes time and care. While this approach may be expensive, its long term product is a stronger, healthier society.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:20:31 +0000

Kai, if the high-unemployment model works for you, groovy.
It all depends what compromises a nation is willing to make.
Generally for most people, it is easier to live in denial than go through painful changes.
But I’m not sure you’re doing your grandchildren any favors, either.

By: Kai Ruhl

Kai Ruhl — Sun, 05 Jun 2005 18:22:36 +0000

Dear Hugh,
You seem to view Europe as quite negative, especially from an economic point of view. My question is, how come that Germany is the biggest exporters of goods in the worlds, not the (by GDP 5 times bigger) USA?
Seems to me that the European thing is not so bad, after all. And if you ask me which country in the world provides the best living conditions, I would still choose Germany. Even though 50% of my income go away for taxes, healthcare, etc., I can still live VERY well with it, even more so if compared to the wealth of people in other countries.
Not to say that Europe does not have some serious problems, but the economy is none of these. Unemployment is, but this is not so much related to productivity as before industrialisation.
Kind regards,
Kai Ruhl

By: Kars

Kars — Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:59:22 +0000

Dear Hugh,
What is it you have against western europe?
Just curious, a dutchman.

By: Ulrich Hobelmann

Ulrich Hobelmann — Sat, 04 Jun 2005 23:07:06 +0000

It would be funny if it wasn’t so sad.
German politicians (especially the mentioned ones) don’t have a clue, nor do the voters.

By: JTH

JTH — Sat, 04 Jun 2005 18:50:46 +0000

With several trips to Europe, business and vacations, and with “sometimes” business partner from Wien (Vienna), my conclusion is that Europe has become a “DisneyLand” with full time occupants. Maybe becoming “Disneyland” : the Old Folks Home.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:59:40 +0000

Thanks Bob– I just added it to the post.

By: Bob

Bob — Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:03:37 +0000

Thomas Friedman wrote a fascinating Op-ed piece in the NY Times today about this very topic.

By: Gideon

Gideon — Fri, 03 Jun 2005 23:14:18 +0000

Alternatively: http://afr.com/articles/2004/02/19/1077072774981.html