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Tue, 27 Sep 2005 07:14:19 +0000

BBC Staffer Whines About Pollution of the Blogosphere by Marketing

BBC employee Ben Metcalfe called the marketing of Stormhoek wine by Hugh MacLeod “crappy” last week. Metcalfe: “I just think it pollutes the blogosphere as you are giving one brand an a disproportionate advantage over its rivals — it’s not “natural…

By: aaron wall

aaron wall — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 12:07:35 +0000

are you worried about spreading your branding too thin? eventually the conversation about conversations about conversations will get thick when many of the conversations have holes in them because you are trying to do too much on limited resources, ie: attention & time.

By: Juho Tunkelo

Juho Tunkelo — Sun, 29 May 2005 19:44:18 +0000

While The English Cut was/is all about educating the customer, this seems to be all about "me" and "we" and "us" and how much "we" love what we do. Nothing wrong with that per se, but you quickly lose the reader when you talk to yourself. You would have lost me if I hadn't been already committed to reading through the manifesto. More words or less words, it needs to address the reader, the consumer, the customer who doesn't yet know he's a customer. Make him/her realize why they should care about fine wines. As English Cut beautifully establishes the point of a bespoke suit. This, as yet, doesn't quite do it. The good stuff is there, but it's just not pulling me by the ears, I have to "be all ears" to hear it..

By: Peter Hodder-Williams

Peter Hodder-Williams — Fri, 27 May 2005 22:41:54 +0000

Hugh — I’m delighted to be wrong on the brand thing. That it occurred to me is mostly an indication of how cynical I’ve become about the UK trade (you were asked to do this by the importer, not the producer, etc, etc). I’m still uncertain whether this can be done without participation from the producers themselves, but I look forward to seeing where you take it.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Fri, 27 May 2005 22:16:12 +0000

Actually, Peter Storhoek is not just a brand.
They have 200 acres of their own Stormhoek vinyards down in Wellington, S.A. where the whole thing is spearheaded.

By: Gourmets of Wine

Gourmets of Wine — Fri, 27 May 2005 16:13:32 +0000

stormhoek: my latest gig

[Source: gapingvoid] quoted: I was down South last week, attending the London International Wine & Spirit Fair. I’ve been asked by my buddy, Jason Korman…

By: Jacob B

Jacob B — Fri, 27 May 2005 05:58:11 +0000

Maybe you should take a look at this: http://www.adverblog.com/archives/001454.htm ?

By: Peter Hodder-Williams

Peter Hodder-Williams — Fri, 27 May 2005 02:41:12 +0000

OK. This is shooting the messenger long before he has a chance to think about his second post, but…
I got to thinking what I would want in the Stormhoek manifesto, which made me start by thinking what is Stormhoek?
“Stormhoek isn

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Fri, 27 May 2005 02:06:32 +0000

Well spotted, Erika =)
Fixed now & thanks.

By: Erika Fields

Erika Fields — Fri, 27 May 2005 01:52:22 +0000

I’m a regular reader, first-time poster … and, perhaps obnoxiously, my first comment is an editing suggestion, but I can’t help myself. Hah.
In your Stormhoek Manifesto, this sentence appears to be missing a glorious little comma:
Stormhoek Standards are(,) when taken together, a protocol …
Anyway, enough nitpicking. Thanks for the continuously interesting reads.

By: Piers Fawkes

Piers Fawkes — Fri, 27 May 2005 01:43:44 +0000

The Bud freshness is all that ‘Born On’ stuff — e.g. the beer was made on such and such date. I didn’t really ever think that beer drinkers were than concerned with the date their poison was made on (we’re not talking OJ are we) — are wine drinkers more considerate??

By: Steven Tolliver

Steven Tolliver — Thu, 26 May 2005 23:00:25 +0000

While all the points are valid, I think the manifesto is too long. Some of the points could be written more concisely (list all work done with growers in one go, for example) or dropped (the rocket science bit).
Also the bit on using chemicals responsibly doesn’t have much impact: no one is ever going to write that they use tons and tons of chemical fertizers and pesticides. Why don’t they believe going organic is best? How much chemical use is “responsable”?
Writing a wine industry blog that goes under the brandname of a winery could really be an exercise in having a pourous membrane. As a writer of a wine industry blog, I look forward to seeing how the Stormhoek blog develops.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Thu, 26 May 2005 22:47:13 +0000

I had the same thought myself, Peter HW. So I went back and put all the manifesto stuff in quotes… with my “authentic” voice on either side. It makes a big difference.
Also granted, I may not be “close enough”… but that never stopped Robert Scoble, either
Like I said, it’s still early days. Watch this space.

By: Peter Hodder-Williams

Peter Hodder-Williams — Thu, 26 May 2005 21:27:15 +0000

The wine blog doesn’t work for me. Whilst it’s well written and the story is probably right, I ended up feeling that the writer wasn’t close enough to the story — that in fact it should’ve been written by one of them. As you said on corporate blogging:
“Friend: What’s the hardest part about corporate blog consulting?
Me: Getting the client to realise that the buggers don’t write themselves.”
I’m toying with doing the same for a client/friend who makes wonderful wine in Piedmont, but I’m concerned with getting past this issue. If I can’t get him to do it, can I project the same passion and make it seem real?
but:
“Every little thing we do from vine to bottle effects the ultimate quality of our wine. We must do hundreds of things right, 365 days of the year.
Or else we have nothing.”
is exactly right. The problem is I’m left wondering if the writer knows what any of them are. If he’s even been there. Why did your work with EnglishCut feel authentic and this not?
The relationship with Thomas — and your involvement with the business — seems closer, but I can’t help thinking that the Stormhoek story would feel more authentic to me if you’d used the third person, and not “we”.
[CAVEAT] I am a wine person. Maybe that’s my problem and I’m not your ideal target?
But I’ll be keeping an interested eye to see where it goes.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Thu, 26 May 2005 19:47:14 +0000

Thanks HH… I’ll go fix the typo.