March 6, 2005

ok, this is starting to get silly…

From USA Today, the lar­gest Ame­ri­can news­pa­per:

Do not unde­res­ti­mate the plea­su­res of a really well-made suit. Tho­mas Mahon is a bes­poke tai­lor (that is, a fellow who makes suits to order) on London’s Savile Row, and if anyone can con­vince you to at least con­si­der inves­ting in one glo­riously per­fect piece of clothing in your life, this is the guy. Even the non-clotheshorses of Hot Sites were fas­ci­na­ted by his desc­rip­tion of the Savile Row cul­ture, by his analy­sis of what makes a bes­poke suit worth the frankly flab­ber­gas­ting price tag, and by his tips of what to look for in a suit if you really must buy off-the-rack. Edu­ca­tio­nal and enter­tai­ning as well.

Awwww… what a nice little men­tion. I feel all warm and fuzzy now.
It’s loo­king like this “blog­ging tai­lor” virus is far more deadly than we pre­dic­ted. Sure, it’s fabuously exci­ting for me and Tom, but Jeeze Louise, Tom’s already stag­ge­red by the amount of work sud­denly in front of him. And we’ve only just scrat­ced the sur­face.
Actually, I disa­gree with USA Today. $4,000 is pretty darn cheap, con­si­de­ring what you’re get­ting.
A suit takes about 100 hours to make, so figure it out to $40 an hour; inc­lu­ding the cost of the cloth, sun­dries, not to men­tion the cost of tra­ve­lling around, train tic­kets, rent etc etc.
$40 an hour for the best crafts­manship of its kind in the world. I know third-rate web deve­lo­pers who charge 3 times that much.

18 Responses to “ok, this is starting to get silly…”

  1. Henry says:

    Now that the blog has resul­ted in an inc­rease in busi­ness, how does Tom plan to meet the inc­rea­sed demand?

  2. Firas says:

    Inc­rea­sed pri­ces, I’d expect :)

  3. Jack says:

    …and if/how are the desig­ner labels going to meet the dec­rea­sed demand.

  4. hugh macleod says:

    Inc­rea­sed demand? Hire more sewing tai­lors.
    Simply put, the big­ger the cut­ting pile, the lon­ger the wai­ting list.
    Orde­ring a suit is like com­mis­sio­ning a painting.

  5. John Dodds says:

    Wai­ting lists — now it gets inte­res­ting. Time is money — not only do I have to pay a high price, I have to wait and thus (fac­to­ring in oppor­tu­nity cost) the price is rising.
    So what hap­pens? New entrants seek to entice your wai­ting list away by offe­ring quic­ker deli­very but the supply of equi­va­lent suits is strictly limi­ted, so new entrants are ine­vi­tably infe­rior.
    In other busi­nes­ses, this would lead to franchi­sing etc which of course is impos­si­ble without denu­ding the rai­son d’etre of qua­lity. So while the blog has rapidly expan­ded reve­nue poten­tial, it has equally see­med to reach/be approaching satu­ra­tion point already. Tom will have inc­rea­sed income for for­seea­ble future until the wia­ting list beco­mes a dete­rrant but is the big­ger les­son here that blogs can only help long-term if the buis­ness is truly sca­lea­ble or is it that busi­nes­ses will devolve from mass pro­duc­tion to sma­ller scale enter­pri­ses which have direct con­ver­sa­tions with their clientele?

  6. hugh macleod says:

    Heh. John, reaching satu­ra­tion point ASAP was the whole point of the exer­cise ;-)
    And look– You’re already com­plaing and you haven’t even left your first depo­sit on a suit.
    Hardly the type of client a Savile Row tai­lor is going to pay much atten­tion to ;-)
    Here’s an exam­ple. One client at Tom’s old com­pany came in a few weeks ago, and orde­red 4 suits– dark grey, light grey, and two navy blue pins­tri­pes.
    So, four suits. $15-16K. Not bad huh?
    Heh. He actually orde­red 28 suits. One set of each for all his seven hou­ses. Easier for him just to dupli­cate the suits than spend all that time pac­king and schelp­ping suit­ca­ses around.
    And so the com­pany will full-on for a while.
    It’s not just tai­lors have to com­pete for their cus­to­mers. Cus­to­mers have to com­pete for the tailor’s atten­tion as well. And the money is only one cri­te­ria of many. Just ask any pros­pe­rous subur­ba­niste trying to land a first-class plum­ber, car­pen­ter, or plas­te­rer.
    If you don’t want to pay more, then wait more. That’s how it works. Most peo­ple would rather wait an extra few weeks than pay $8-9K for a suit. Espe­cially when you’re buying 28 of them.
    We’ve already star­ted tur­ning away busi­ness, just because we could already tell the guy was a pain in the ass.
    Any­way, you’re not paying an oppor­tu­nity cost. The terms of the tran­sac­tion– how much, how fast etc– aren’t deci­ded till the cus­to­mer pla­ces an order. And lea­ves a deposit.

  7. Tim Aldrich says:

    Wai­ting lists are not always a pro­blem and I’d ima­gine par­ti­cu­larly not for bes­poke suits. Very few peo­ple purcha­sing a bes­poke suit won’t have any other suits — I’d guess they have a fair few of var­ying age and qua­lity. You don’t need a bes­poke suit NOW. Well, very rarely. That means that, for something like this, you can wait. Wai­ting makes it spe­cial. Mem­bership of the MCC is valued all the more *because* of the wai­ting list.
    Tom is being mar­ke­ted as the top end luxury sports car — there is always demand for that kind of qua­lity. The blog will only serve to remind cus­to­mers that
    a) they may have to wait,
    and b) it will be worth the wait — i.e. don’t bother com­pro­mi­sing by hea­ding off to someone else.
    Let’s face it, if one of Tom’s poten­tial cus­to­mers go elsewhere, they will always have that han­ke­ring to know whether he might have been even bet­ter and may have a look at English­Cut next time they’re loo­king for a suit.
    The dan­ger is surely the temp­ta­tion to grow the busi­ness beyond the boun­da­ries at which qua­lity remains high. If there aren’t the qua­lity cut­ters out there, it doesn’t sound like Tom would recruit.

  8. hugh macleod says:

    Yes Tim, you got it.
    A tai­lor froi­ned of mine (not Tom) is currently cut­ting a large order of the owner of a very large, famous com­pany that you will have heard of.
    The guy has a real suit fetish. So every year he returns to the Row and plonks down and order for $20-odd-thousand. And this tai­lor has a cou­ple of clients like that.
    Having these men’s cus­tom– OK, it’ll never make money like Ralph Lau­ren– but it offers a sense of secu­rity and job satis­fac­tion most large com­pa­nies would be hard pres­sed to offer even 5% of their people.

  9. Henry says:

    Wai­ting lists are com­mon in the world of cus­tom made gui­tars. There was once a maker of clas­si­cal gui­tars, Igna­cio Fleta, who only made 12 ins­tru­ments a year. There was a wai­ting list las­ting seven years.
    An awa­re­ness of this world may pro­vide use­ful info for Tom.

  10. hugh macleod says:

    Henry,
    Tom knows all about this world, because his world is the same.

  11. peter says:

    that idea of the guy having iden­ti­cal suits in each of his seven hou­ses was bri­lliant Hugh. Is there a Nobel prize for blog­ging? I’ll have the trophy made — with “The thought of making money sends Hughie com­ple­tely gaga” embla­zo­ned across the back.
    AFAIK greed is not a crea­tive catalyst

  12. john dodds says:

    The “I” was a hypothe­ti­cal cus­to­mer — I sadly am not in the finan­cial lea­gue to be that hypothe­ti­cal cus­to­mer, but the point I think still stands.
    Yes, the cus­to­mers may be willing to wait but that doesn’t deny the eco­no­mic rea­lity that ulti­ma­tely a suit in x weeks time is in real terms deli­ve­red at a lower price than one deli­ve­red in a lon­ger time­frame. as you are deri­ving bene­fit from it soo­ner.
    With your unders­tood goal of maxi­mum out­put reached, you have to ration your cus­to­mers either by price, wai­ting time or, as you indi­cate, by per­so­nal pre­fe­rence.
    That’s fine for English Cut — indeed essen­tial because the pro­duct is “remar­ka­ble” by vir­tue of a form of labour inten­sity. But my rhe­to­ri­cal ques­tion is whether you’re iden­tif­ying limi­ting para­me­ters for the Hugh­train methodology?

  13. hugh macleod says:

    I haven’t limi­ted any para­me­ters yet, as far as I know.

  14. peter says:

    Hey Hughie — I apo­lo­gize for my bar­bed com­ment, and am glad you took it in good humor. I should explain — after rea­ding your article about shoul­der pads I did exactly as you pre­dic­ted, rushed to my war­drobe, and when I found what a sch­muck I had been for so many years (no wad­ding!!!) a red mist just des­cen­ded in front of my eyes. I had to take it out on someone and you were there. I knew you would unders­tand — fin­ding shoul­der pads in your suits is an awful thing to hap­pen to anyone.
    Are you plan­ning on get­ting back to the smar­ter con­ver­sa­tions any­time soon? I thing Kevin Roberts has the love­marks thing pretty well covered.

  15. hugh macleod says:

    No, Peter, I’m just plan­ning on having dum­ber con­ver­sa­tions from now on. Star­ting with you.

  16. peter says:

    that’s hila­rious Hugh! I was begin­ning to think you had lost it.

  17. ghost writer says:

    $4000.00 is *not* expen­sive for a hand-crafted suit. Peo­ple who think nothing of spen­ding 10x that amount for a vehicle should not be sur­pri­sed at the price, but in the world of fast-food and fas­ter cars, patience and appre­cia­tion of fine qua­lity work­manship means little. Most peo­ple are all flash and no cash. Not that I could afford a $4000.00 suit mind — nor do I need one — but I’m really sick of peo­ple whi­ning about shit like this. You want to play, expect to pay.