Comments on: all very exciting

By: Jon

Jon — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 20:53:06 +0000

Wahey! An online argument between two Saville Row tailors, it couldn’t get much more English.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:34:29 +0000

Oh, and the original accusation made by Darren has since been removed by the moderator.
I guess he took pity on the poor man.

By: hugh macleod

hugh macleod — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 12:32:18 +0000

Hmmmm... I was checking out the backlash against Darren (the chap whoo accused Thomas) on the tailoring message boards (the main way Darren used to market himself) since Thomas made his reply. And yeah, suddenly it's starting to look like a prison movie. Poor Darren is getting utterly shredded: http://www.askandyaboutclothes.com/Forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4539 http://66.170.193.77/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.cgi?s=4202789a2d37ffff;act=ST;f=1;t=8305;st=0 But he set himself up as "the expert tailor" online... never thinking that an actual, real, live, expert tailor would ever do the same (most world class tailors these days are well over 50... many have never even sent an e-mail)... What's interesting to me is we're used to talking about Cluetrain/Hughtrain stuff on a corporate level... but here it is working very effectively (frighteningly so) on a much smaller, "Brand You" scale.

By: David

David — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:12:06 +0000

Hrm.
I have since been corrected to note that it refers to male on male rape.
Honestly, either way I think it’s an offensive reference.
I guess it takes someone you care about to get offended before you realize a statement is offensive. The reason I say that is because I used to use that phrase, until someone I cared about told me what it refers to.

By: mg

mg — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 11:09:02 +0000

in david’s defense [and also in truth]:
the phrase “rip him/her a new asshole” is in fact a reference to rape, although not specifically male on female. it is a reference to male on male rape.
think about the language.
not saying that anyone intended to use that as a reference, but often times we use phrases without necessarily knowing where they come from.
over & out.

By: Barbara

Barbara — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:46:38 +0000

100% what Katherine said.

By: Katherine

Katherine — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 06:33:11 +0000

FWIW, David, I’m a woman and wasn’t offended. I’ve actually never encountered your definition of the phrase.

By: David Zwarg

David Zwarg — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 02:10:07 +0000

Hugh,
In the future, please refrain from using the expression “rip a new asshole.” The meaning of that phrase is to rape a woman. While I understood your statement to mean “Thomas educates the poor chap:” or something of that nature, your version also refers to the subjugation and violent sexual assault of women.
I hope that is not the message you are trying to communicate to your audience.

By: brian moffatt

brian moffatt — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:43:57 +0000

The man has bespoken.
If Tom’s as deft with a pair of shears as he is with a keypad, he’s the master of two houses.

By: Josh Kaufman

Josh Kaufman — Fri, 04 Feb 2005 00:15:43 +0000

Damn… impressive reply. Love Thomas’ comment, “My work speaks for itself, and I can quite happily live or die by my reputation.” It’s nice to see a man who knows his worth without being arrogant about it. My respect just twinged up a few notches…

By: Johnnie Moore

Johnnie Moore — Thu, 03 Feb 2005 23:17:17 +0000

Wow, there’s nothing like a bit of controversy to ignite a blog. I agree with your bottom line Hugh!

By: The Newest Industry

The Newest Industry — Thu, 03 Feb 2005 21:29:53 +0000

“Where everybody knows your name…”

Be careful what you say and who you say it about. Thomas Mahon, the hottest new blogger, was “dressed down” by one of his former “colleagues”.
Thomas then dispatches the cad with some of the sharpest words I have heard for many a year.
Bravo Thom…